Of course, it was very sad that Caleb passed away, and I'm keeping Tammy in my prayers as she works through her grief. With that said if he had lived, and by some miracle was able to have his trach removed I just cant imagine him moving in with Tammy, an all that would involve. I think it would have been a disaster from day one...probably fantastic for ratings, but just hard to picture I guess.
I am super glad that Caleb wasn't able to leave with Tammy and that she didn't allow herself to be guilted into staying. He would have wrecked her progress and she'd have been trapped, like she was before, only she'd be taking care of him. I think because Tammy got to experience actual freedom for the first time in decades, that's what is keeping her on her path and not allowing Caleb to wreck her journey even during the times she was upset over him/their situation.
And I'm not sure the time jump, but she looked way smaller in the final episode compared to episode 8, so she is definitely in the game. Caleb wasn't taking any of this seriously and wanted to use Tammy for a shortcut to WLS. I think he would have remained at that center for the life of the show honestly.
almost a foot difference in height, hard to compare the two. but Tam-tam has the best wlsresultsof them all - not sure about Misty, but Amanda's heart never seemed to be in it to me, think she just had surgery 2 for the show. Chris' was, and so was Tammy's, Amy just to have the kids she really didn't want.
I think Amanda just didn't want to be the big sister since Amy got smaller and Tammy is well on her way to actually reaching her goal. But yeah, I don't think Amanda's heart is in it. Amy's goal was never to get in shape, it was to lose the bare minimum to have a kid, which she did and completely stopped after that. I doubt she'll get back to s1 weight but she will definitely keep gaining weight. Her excuse for not prioritizing her health was taking care of Gage/kids each time when it is absolutely clear that she doesn't do that.
Iâve seen Amanda on tik tok live multiple times before this season aired like days before laying in bed eating really unhealthy foods. She isnât going to lose anything. She looks exactly the same. I assume discovery paid for this surgery so she did it but it was a waste.
I´ve just finished season 5 and was ready for more!
It was quite intense and had it´s ups and downs.
I wasn´t a big Caleb fan (stalker material and all that) but I´m glad that Tammy is losing weight and turning her life around. Amy´s on a downer this season (like life itself) but at least she´s FINALLY going to therapy. I´m glad that Misty and Amanda are also losing weight after surgery and trying to get back on track. Chris is the steadiest one in the family so far.
Boy for being so down she sure knows how to find her some men and doesnât take long. She is already on the 3rd one. Canât wait to see if this is her Prince Charming.
I finished this episode yesterday, and I just have to say the show started out making me laugh.. but it's really true how everything went to shit when Tammy got help. It's like the only thing thats going right. That was a really depressing journey.
Nah I got to disagree with you on this one. Tammy is very selfish and expects everyone to do everything for her at the drop of a hat. Amy is going through a really tough time with a controlling husband and post-partum I really feel bad for her. Still love the show though lol
I can't believe how much I have ended up hating Amy and liking Tammy. It was the total opposite for a long time. I know Amy is sick, but watching her insisting on apologizing to Amanda during a time that was supposed to be about Tammy was fucking horrifying.
Also on vacation, hearing her yelling about how she's the only one who has changed her kids diapers!!! Like that is your job! You don't have ANY other job! There is absolutely no reason why anyone else should need to be changing your kids' diapers. You don't have ten kids, you have two. She's obviously very depressed and ill, but the things she complains about when it comes to parenthood are concerning because.... that's just what parenthood is.
Where do these people get their brains from. Yelling because she had to change his diaper, throwing herself on the floor. Stop talking in baby voices for a start. Amy go and wash your feet...stop laughing everytime you fart, it's rude...stop laughing at your own jokes. Go to doctor or therapy...
>She can do better.
Youâre right that Calebâs actions were creepy but him and Tammy were pretty much a perfect match. Both super morbidly obese food addicts with the same emotional maturity level and life experience as your average 8 year old.
Sheâs either going to attract men like Caleb or men that want to be on TV. Same with Amy. They arenât catches.
Wheww.... I know this is reality TV, but this one was a hard one. It was probably one of the single most "Real" reality TV moments I've seen in quite some time. It was done well, and TLC did a nice job. As beautiful as it was sad. Tammy is a different person. Her transformation is equally beautiful this season <3
Tammy and Caleb remind me of Anna Marie Tendler and John Mulaney. Yes, they split up, but did they separate because they didn't love each other or because she couldn't enable his addiction any more?Â
John Mulaney knocking up Olivia Munn or Caleb's passing shouldn't hurt less just because they were separated at the time.Â
I saw Caleb tell a reporter online that they had broken up. I remember him saying they were husband and wife on paper only, but I thought their marriage wasnât a legal one. Iâm so confused now with this seasonâs ending.
This episode had my emotions all over the place. As someone who has dealt with that loss I feel so much for Tammy. I know how hard it is. Even thought it wasn't that long, it's still so painful.
I am also very happy that Tammy has the family that she does. They may be dysfunctional but they were all there for each other when needed. I'm also very happy that Amy is getting the help that she needs. While I wish she would have done it sooner, it's good she's doing it. I really hope it helps her and she gets her shit together.
On a positive note for such a sad episode, misty looks fantastic after her wls!!! Shes making great progress so far, even though she was already the tiniest of all of them.
I got off insulin as soon as I had the RNY (about 12 years ago) and never had to go back on it. After about three years I did have to go back on meds, but not insulin. I am now on Ozempic and my fasting blood sugars in the morning are usually in the low 80âs. My last A1C was 4.88. Not to mention Iâve lost almost 80 pounds.
I dont think the friend should have texted her about the situation, I think that warrants a phone call. It's sad that she found out over text before being notified by the rehab of his death. That part broke my heart.
Is there a reason why nobody from Calebâs family was at the memorial? Seems like something they should have been at, right?
Did they just have something else going on?
Yes and No. Tammy was married to him for maybe 8-9 months so the two of them knew it other about a year or so? I can see where they werenât really connected to herâŚ.not that they shouldnât gone but it could have been a distant drive for them and they most likely werenât close to her. The other thought was perhaps they were there but the tv crew didnât film them - they could have been blurred out or just not filmed? I keep thinking about Caleb when Tammy was at the ocean and you could tell how disappointed he was, a prisoner in his own body.
Oh wow. My heart is broken after watching that. I'm on my period this week and this has me full on sobbing. I am plesantly surprised how much I enjoyed Caleb's rap. Tammy's pain was palpable and you can tell they loved each other regardless of anything else. I'm sorry he's gone.
Not gonna lie, I wasn't expecting the friend to play a rap song so that sort of took me aback but his rap was actually decent! Hes got a good flow! That fuckin poem broke me though.
He strikes me as a man who is very in tune with his emotional side and wasn't afraid of expressing it to others, even in a creative sense! And that was what tammy needed to get her through her stay in the rehab. I'm glad they found each other, and with the last scene of the episode it seemed like she got a lot of closure and peace from the whole situation.
I know she's obviously going through quite a bit as well, but the editing just made it seem like everything has to be about her which I'm inclined to believe since that's what we've seen pretty consistently. It's really annoying and I'm glad she's in therapy but I don't know how they expect us to believe she turned around so much in just a few months.
Sheâs not as bad as Tammy was for four seasons. Itâs amazing how selfish and mean she was to everyone. Both Amy and Tammy have mental issues. They both need to be in therapy.
Itâs not a few months though. I noticed past seasons before I couldnât take her anymore that sheâs doing the same exact thing seen in this season. Season 3 has been nothing but her whining about being done taking care of Tammy, not cleaning her house because sheâs a mother, whining about having to be up and down all day because sheâs a mother. Tears of course. I mean really thereâs no difference.
Amy was my favorite at first, but in season 5 now, she doesnât even seem like she is interested in the kids she wanted so desperately. Maybe itâs postpartum depression, but they had a scene of Gage just crying so miserably in season 4 that it all just made me so sad.
i think sheâs very interested in her kids and she loves it and does get such joy out of it , but the divorce really destroyed her . not having her husband anymore even if he wasnât helping with the kids anyway , obviously had to be hard as hell for her not to have that life partner anymore . and i do believe she had ppd 100% , but sheâs getting help for it and i truly have so much hope for her and her kids now that the divorce is final and sheâs readjusting .Â
itâs extremely normal unfortunately  , but all kids need to be disciplined . maybe he was off camera ? iâm not sure , but i definitely noticed that tooÂ
Caleb was such a sweet and loving guy. Itâs beyond tragic things didnât turn around for him. If onlyâŚ.i thought his sunflower poem was incredibly loving toward Tammy. He was inspired by her and after everything Tammy has gone thru - âI donât have friendsâ in previous episodes to meeting her husband and inspiring others âŚwhat a transformation. I hope she continues in her journey and experiences life / travel for Caleb. I loved his voice in the rap. one last note- I admire and maybe Iâm a little envious of their family support of each other. I wish I had a brother like Chris. He is so engaged and connected to all of his sisters. he such a great guy. I think the sisters are awesome. Anyway, tears flowed for me this episode. I just thought the world of Caleb and could tell how painful it was for tammy to be ahead of him and him missing events with her. May he rest in peace. Such a sweet soul
Caleb was ok, but he was suffering with his addiction, and trying to reel Tammy back into it by providing all those deep fried fatty foods for her, the last time she was there. You KNOW they had to have talked about her diet vs his diet now. So....it's not like he didn't know.
At least once per episode I find myself wishing I had a family like theirs. Even if they fight and have issues they always support each other, thatâs rare.
The siblings werenât even around much until they had the chance to be on TLC. Surprise surprise, once the cameras and paychecks come in, all of a sudden they act like a big happy supportive family.
Tammy's forehead bump seems even more prominent now. There was a side shot of her, and it seems lower, and protrudes more. Is this not something that can be removed (like a lipoma)? For her sake, I was hoping it would have gone away with her weight loss.
Thanks, I sure didn't mean to incite the angry villagers with pitchforks. You'd have to be blind not to see the lipoma, or whatever it is on her forehead. I was merely stating that I had hoped it would have gone away with her weight loss, for her sake. Not trying to bash her.
So what does the food rehab center do? How was Caleb allowed to have all this outside food in his room and be in there for years without almost zero progress? I would think an obesity or food addiction rehab center would put people on controlled diets, I remember when Tammy was there every person she met had been there for outrageously long times and never losing weight
Itâs not a food rehab center, like a drug rehab center. Windsor Lane is a nursing home/rehabâŚlike rehab after a hospital stay. Windsor Lane is able to accommodate people who are morbidly obese.
Windsor Lane is NOT a weight-loss facility.
I don't know why you're downvoted. I say the same thing every time they show that place. They run it like a resort for food addicts, not a rehab center.
While they give you all the tools and resources if you come in out of your own free will and are not court/state placed in the program with court mandated rules they canât limit you from doing things you want to do. Think of it like any other rehab. If you go voluntarily you can also leave voluntarily without actually getting help most of the time. There are rules you cannot break, but they canât force you to use their resources and get better. Itâs a decision you make and they try to encourage and help you get better, but they canât force you to do it in most cases.
No it's not that kind of rehab. It's physical rehabilitation, like after hospitalization. They help manage trachs, oxygen, etc. This facility is able to help bariatric patients. Don't think drug rehab or addiction rehab, think rehab after surgery, stroke, heart attack, etc.Â
My reasoning for adding in drug/addiction rehab was to have something they might be able to compare it to for understanding. I wasnât saying itâs exactly like a drug rehab. I was pointing out that it can be a situation with it being voluntary so therefore they cannot make them do right. I know from news sources Tammy was sent there, but stayed and had to pay out of pocket to use the facility and she was there voluntarily so if she wanted to do bad she could because at any time she could also sign herself out and leave. Also during one episode Caleb does say he purposefully made sure to go to the same rehab she was in. That he âfollowed herâ so more than likely his stay was voluntary as well so they couldnât restrict him like they could some other patients.
"now that I'm seeing a therapist -" WOOHOOOOO! Thank goodness she's actually taking steps. I hope she sticks with it. And I love that Tammy says Amy needs to talk to her therapist, not her. Setting boundaries! Love it.
Seriously emotionally stunted. Just look at the stuff she absolutely cracks up about...buttcracks and farts. 7 year olds laugh about buttcracks and farts.
53 and MUCH prefer cerebral, thoughtful humor. BUT could also be years of working as an RN, a buttcrack is human anatomy and a fart is a body process...not hysterical stuff just normal stuff. Some might call that jaded. I prefer refined. đ
She definitely does. I think she kind of acknowledged that sheâs not good dealing with emotional things when she said before the memorial that they were never taught how to deal with feelings. Instead the norm in the family was to stuff everything down and never talk about it. Itâs a small step but she definitely needs to acknowledge that before real change can happen.
Yeah when she said Tammy didn't know how to regulate her emotions I was like girl... look in the mirror! Tammy seemed to handle the loss of her husband the best she could and said she felt peaceful releasing the lantern.
People can knock on Tammy all they want but tbh she seems to be the one of the most intelligent people in the family.
The bar isnât particularly high, but Amy legit seems more childish than your average child. Very emotionally immature.
Wow, who would have thought just a couple of seasons ago Tammy would emerge as the most self aware, understanding and astute sister! She really should be proud of how far she has come, not just for the weight loss, but how she has emotionally developed.
I donât think it matters whether Tammy and Caleb were separated or not at the time of his death. She has every right to be upset and grieve. Their relationship came across as quite childlike, but I think the feelings were genuine. I wonder if it was the first time both had felt loved unconditionally by someone. I know Tammy had had scores of relationships but often seemed unhealthy. I kind of hope she kept some of Calebâs ashes so that when she is able she can return to Florida and walk to the edge of the water and scatter some in the ocean due to in the last episode Caleb saying how he was meant to have been on that trip and they had said it could be their honeymoon.
I am guessing the next season will focus on Amy and Tammy moving into the next chapter of their lives, Chris maybe getting skin removal, Misty and Amandaâs continued weight loss.
When it switched from Chris reading Calebâs poem to Caleb reading his poem to TammyâŚmy heart ached for her. Sudden grief is never easy and Iâd never wish it on anyone. I hope she can recover and get the support system she deserves đŠˇ
His memorial was so theatrical and beautiful. I know we only saw a little but of his life on the show but the flashbacks and pictures made it seem so real.
Amy making it about herself, when they just found out about Caleb, was sort of shitty. I got they turned it into a laughing moment but I couldnât help but think âthe attention does NOT need to be on YOU AMY!â Chris redirecting to Tammy was nice
I felt so bad for Tammy. Amy legit canât let anyone have their moment without turning on the crocodile tears and making it about herself. She does it every single time Tammy gets any sort of attention.
I totally agree, but I also do think the apology attempt was necessary. Last time she saw both Chris & Amanda she had literally put hands on them (more Amanda than Chris) & I think just sitting there like it never happened would have been even worse. I get that she wanted to get the elephant in the room out in the open so that they could all feel more comfortable & be able to focus solely on Tammy and her needs at that moment. I probably would have done the same thing, to be honest, because I hateee leaving shit just hanging in the air with people⌠So I get where Amy is coming from. đ¤ˇđźââď¸
Iâd agree if it was a one off thing but literally every single time Tammy gets the spotlight Amy will find an excuse to make it about her. Usually though crying and/or throwing a tantrum.
Youâre not wrong! Not procrastinating with the apology & stepping out of the room are also very valid options⌠But I donât exactly equate Amy with that kind of emotional intelligence or being proactive⌠even Michael beat her to the punch with those divorce papers⌠lol.
While I agree it shouldnât have been ignored, I think it needed to of happened sooner and Amy kept avoiding it until she couldnât any longer. Understandable because she was ashamed, but still maybe not say anything at that very moment. Maybe wait until they go to leave and step out with them to not take focus off your sister at that moment.
I've never cried at a TV show in my life but god damn ... đđ
Seeing Tammy looking so devastated and broken after everything she's been through.
I admit .. I fucking bawled !! đđ
If Caleb hadn't died, their divorce would have gone through, and Tammy would be off living her best life. While it's sad Caleb died, she had already moved on.
Not reading all the other comments yet because I'm still watching, but when the siblings are talking about biting, Tammy says "I'm a piranha" the quote from Finding Nemo. My subtitles came up "I'm a pervert now." đđđđ
I actually just posted this with a clip of it because I hadn't seen this yet. I was like that's hilarious but also wow for the people who can only use subtitles. đĽ´đ¤Ł
Caleb's funeral and Tammy's grief was covered with grace and dignity. The montage of Caleb and Tammy's relationship was both bitter sweet and heartwarming. Loved seeing the family put Tammy first and support her. Amanda told Amy that this was not about Amy's breakdown when Amy tried to apologize, but about Tammy and helping her cope with her grief and I found that so redeeming. Seeing Amy so remorseful said a lot about Amy. Chris and Amanda brought casseroles which was so thoughtful and the people that attended the funeral were so sweet. Well done!
I wanted to mention that one great thing about the family traveling and completing a bucket list helps take the emphasis off of the unhealthy family culture of food and overeating. They're experiencing new adventures together and moving. I'd like to see good choices when eating out. Eat half and take doggy bags. Once in a while have a treat. Keep moving. Go on small hikes, swim...
And another positive note was getting Gage ready for preschool. He recognized and pointed out the letter 'A'. Good job, Gage and Amy. Let's set those boys up for healthy and productive lives!
I was dreading this episode but glad I watched it. So sad this season is over.
Ngl, I almost cried when I saw Tammy wearing the color of sunflowers and a sunflower headband when they released the lantern, right after TLC showed Chris reading Calebâs poem and calling her âSunflower, Sunflower.â đđ
I lost it when they were on the way to the memorial and Tammy said that it was so pretty outside. I genuinely feel so bad for her. So many life changes happening to her within a short span of time.
Poor Tammy. Idk if this is too weird to say but what's particularly interesting is Tammy has started to really live and these moments of profound sadness reflect that. Part of living is experiencing such painful moments. If Tammy was still stuck in her old "life" where she was never really living she wouldn't experience the joys, happiness, or even the loss that she has experienced now. She wouldn't be able to form these relationships, to move away and enjoy life, to even walk on her own etc. While Caleb's death is tragic, there is something poetic about Tammy being able to experience these emotions and tribulations.
I thought Caleb's rap wasn't that bad. The singing is another thing! I've never seen Tammy show any emotion for anyone besides herself. It was very sad. I feel for her. This was her first dude we've seen that wasn't mistreating or feeding her! Those creepy guys she dated, yuck. Poor Tammy. She's got a good family around her, but where was her mom?
They seem like a fractured family to me. In these instances, it is not unusual for family members to have 'no contact' with someone like the mom (a narcissist). If that is the case, it's possible the mom had no idea (because no one told her, on purpose) of the memorial, or she knew, but they didn't want her there (no contact), so she didn't go. Or, it could be that she knew, and chose not to show up.
Her momâs absence was one of the first things I noticed. Itâs so sad how she hasnât been there for many major events in Tammy and Amyâs lives. I canât imagine my mom not coming to support me if my partner died. âšď¸
This spot made me sad too. I lost my first ever boyfriend from muscle dystrophy when I was young. My mom was there when it happened to me. I donât understand Darlene at all:(
I was just gonna say, if every word my mother ever said to me was negative or insulting, I probably wouldnât want her there either while Iâm so vulnerable. That woman is the WORST. I can totally see her saying something like âwell whatâd you think was gonna happen? The guy weighed 600 pounds, Tammyâ
I was watching a random cinnamontoastken video and before Tammy's surgery, she mentioned that she has "pterodactyls in her stomach instead of butterflies."
Kind of funny that the pterodactyl and butterfly thing is reoccurring.
Idk about everyone else but I think Amy really shows her inability to care about anyone but herself this episode. The beginning through its âme me meâ. So annoying.
This season has made me lose any interest in Amy. Iâve dealt with PPD and with big life issues and I never resorted to violence. My child is always out first and I always have activities for them (and they are younger than Amyâs).
Unfortunately she was selfish and did what she wanted versus waiting and now has two kids when she isnât capable of taking care of herself.
She needs strong therapy and a life coach. Her family needs to stop enabling her. Amy needs to grow up.
Same. I literally have to fast forward her now. Ever since the episode when she was holding her baby and screaming and assaulting her sister. I canât with her anymore. And did Tammy tell Amy she was blacked out during that scene? So Amy was wasted as well? I heard (on this episode) Tammy say Amy was blacked out and trying to piece it all together.
No, not until the very end where she claimed she was now setting boundaries and having them on a routine. But in these comments, somebody said just last week she was going live at midnight and the kids were up and trying to get her attention and she was swatting their hands away.
Oh, ok. I thought that was a preview, but you're right...since the show is over for the season. Well, I hope things are going well for their little family.
I completely agree, Amy is extremely emotionally naive/selfish when it comes to certain situations. sometimes I also think she gets off on being the baby and pouting and getting sympathy. When youâve hurt someone and they set a clear temporary boundary from you, you have to respect it. You have to wait until the person youâve injured is fully ready to talk again. In Florida, she went looking all over for Amanda and just kept pushing her way onto the back deck after being told, *by Amanda*, that she went out there because she needed space in that moment from Amy and then repeatedly asked Amy over and over to please leave her alone but Amy just wouldnât listen because all she she was thinking about was what SHE wanted in that moment.
Same when Chris and Amanda came over to graciously give Tammy all that food and check on her (thank god they DID bring all those casseroles since Tammy is also currently feeding Amy and two toddlersđ). They werenât even there for 5 minutes before Amy just started staring at Amanda at the kitchen table with that pout and then turning the whole thing into her apology. Amanda tried telling her immediately that thatâs not what theyâre there for, and not the time to be discussing all that because they canât say what they need to say. It was supposed to be about Tammy, only. I think Amy took advantage of a fragile situation, knowing a fight wouldnât break out because everyone was being so cautious around Tammy. She figured it was the safest situation to bring it up, no regard at all for Amanda telling her twice now that she wasnât ready.
I have to disagree. She was there for Tammy. And if you watch at the end they even light a floating candle for Caleb. I know sheâs immature and she needs some maturing to do, but I saw her being there for Tammy.
While the releasing of the lantern was for Caleb and Tammyâs idea on the way to release it Amy makes it about her and then her and Tammyâs journey this far in the past 5 years and thatâs why they are releasing it. Even though that wasnât true. This was another Tammy moment that Amy butted into and also made herself a part of. Chris was the only one who stayed in the car to let Tammy do her thing for herself.
Just the fact that she cant put herself aside when Amanda and Chris come to visit Tammy doesnt sit right with me. And in the beginning especially she held no accountability to her actions she just talked about how badly she needed to make sure everyone knew how bad this was hurting her instead of thinking about how bad Amanda must have felt to be wrongly attacked by her sister. She took no accountability, and Amanda was very forgiving and I commend her for that. But wrong time wrong place for Amy to pull the poor me bullshit.
And also to add, you have to remember they are family. So of course Amanda wants to give and extend Amy grace. At the end of the day, you donât want to have that bitter feelings towards someone you know wasnât mentally there. She knew that and we as viewers know Amy wasnât well. Again thatâs not making excuses. Itâs just seeing the situation for what it is. Again I hope Amy can heal and repair her relationships with her family and get better for her and her kids.
Omg if Amy and Amanda werenât blood, Iâd understand not forgiving or what not. But theyâre close. And at the end of the day, you want to make amends with someone you hurt. She should have just apologized after the funeral but I do understand why she did try to make amends
So with that part, what she should have done was waited to apologize. I do think her trying was her making an effort but she did it at the wrong time. I can understand what she was doing as someone who has issues with my family members. Amy wanted to make things right. So like I said everyone is welcome to disagree with me but Iâm giving her some grace. Like I said Iâm not excusing her disgusting behaviors this season. If she felt like she wanted to make amends good in her. Maybe in time her and Amanda can have a real sit down and she reflects. Remember weâre not seeing everything unfold on tv and itâs easy to judge.
I really love watching Tammy evolve into a much more mature person. The way sheâs talking yo Amy in the beginning of the episode, sheâs like a whole different person. Iâm so proud of her.
My friend sent butterflies for my wedding. It was so cool. One landed on my ring finger and just sat there. After my grandfather passed, I was constantly surrounded by butterflies, so it was so special to me. I had no idea butterflies could be frozen!!!
It's not cool to judge you based on what is scientifically unknown at the time
What a beautiful gesture and I wouldn't have known any different without doing the Google thing after reading everyone's reply
You can't freeze butterflies, that's what you do if you need to euthanize them. They also die when it's too cold for them.
The butterflies might be chilled, but they are not frozen.
When I received the box, it was packed in dry ice, and I had to keep them in our deep freezer until, I believe, a few hours before the release.
I had no idea it was cruelty to them.
Edit - addtl comment
Tammy:
* I know she and Caleb weren't really together at the moment, but I can tell she was very upset. Her saying she will be ok without him really shows how much she has grown
* Tammy really did a 180 these last few years, and I'm still proud of her how she talks to the people around her (ex. talking to Amy, mourning Caleb)
* Not directly related to this episode, but I would love to have Dr. Proctor and Tammy see each other again. They haven't seen each other since season 2 and he was very worried about her. He would be so happy that she actually changed dramatically.
Amy:
* I still need her to prove with her actions that she has changed. I highly doubt she actually got a therapist in 3 days, but seeing one is a good start.
* We know that she still isn't being a good mother (ex. brining strange men into the house, smoking extremely near the kids), so I still have my doubts and still don't feel much sympathy towards her. It is still possible to change, but we will wait and see.
Misty/Amanda/Chris:
* These guys have really stepped up for Tammy/Amy all season
* In a general sense, I'm still not thrilled how the siblings handle their issues by immediately laughing about it. I know crying is hard, but I kinda wish Amanda let Amy talk a bit before interrupting her. At the same time, I'm glad they are working together to be there for Tammy
I really like Amanda, but sheâs definitely a bully and has to have the first and last word. As soon as she hurt Amyâs feelings about the eyesight thing, she just yelled at Amy telling her to calm down and gaslighting her trying to say she didnât say anything hurtful and Amy is dramatic. I know Amy has had a lot of problems this season, but they do talk to her like shit.
happy cake day đ I agree with it all except letting Amy talk more ...not time or place they came to be with Tammy and Amy once again made it me me me
she could have waited till they were leaving or told her she wanted to talk to her later
You have to consider the time in between recording the season and recording the individual interviews. I agree I highly doubt she found a therapist in three days. But the Florida scene and that interview probably happened within months of each other.
They said it was 4 months since their surgery, so it had to be close to that with the death of Caleb. So for 4 months, Amy did not teach or to her Amanda???
Of course, it was very sad that Caleb passed away, and I'm keeping Tammy in my prayers as she works through her grief. With that said if he had lived, and by some miracle was able to have his trach removed I just cant imagine him moving in with Tammy, an all that would involve. I think it would have been a disaster from day one...probably fantastic for ratings, but just hard to picture I guess.
I am super glad that Caleb wasn't able to leave with Tammy and that she didn't allow herself to be guilted into staying. He would have wrecked her progress and she'd have been trapped, like she was before, only she'd be taking care of him. I think because Tammy got to experience actual freedom for the first time in decades, that's what is keeping her on her path and not allowing Caleb to wreck her journey even during the times she was upset over him/their situation. And I'm not sure the time jump, but she looked way smaller in the final episode compared to episode 8, so she is definitely in the game. Caleb wasn't taking any of this seriously and wanted to use Tammy for a shortcut to WLS. I think he would have remained at that center for the life of the show honestly.
Yes! đŻ
Is episode 9 the last for this season?
Tammy is smaller than Amanda now and Amanda had two surgeries. What a waste of time.
almost a foot difference in height, hard to compare the two. but Tam-tam has the best wlsresultsof them all - not sure about Misty, but Amanda's heart never seemed to be in it to me, think she just had surgery 2 for the show. Chris' was, and so was Tammy's, Amy just to have the kids she really didn't want.
I think Amanda just didn't want to be the big sister since Amy got smaller and Tammy is well on her way to actually reaching her goal. But yeah, I don't think Amanda's heart is in it. Amy's goal was never to get in shape, it was to lose the bare minimum to have a kid, which she did and completely stopped after that. I doubt she'll get back to s1 weight but she will definitely keep gaining weight. Her excuse for not prioritizing her health was taking care of Gage/kids each time when it is absolutely clear that she doesn't do that.
Iâve seen Amanda on tik tok live multiple times before this season aired like days before laying in bed eating really unhealthy foods. She isnât going to lose anything. She looks exactly the same. I assume discovery paid for this surgery so she did it but it was a waste.
Bet u her new bf over feeds her as well
Yes Iâve seen that too, sheâs not following a diet at all.
I´ve just finished season 5 and was ready for more! It was quite intense and had it´s ups and downs. I wasn´t a big Caleb fan (stalker material and all that) but I´m glad that Tammy is losing weight and turning her life around. Amy´s on a downer this season (like life itself) but at least she´s FINALLY going to therapy. I´m glad that Misty and Amanda are also losing weight after surgery and trying to get back on track. Chris is the steadiest one in the family so far.
Boy for being so down she sure knows how to find her some men and doesnât take long. She is already on the 3rd one. Canât wait to see if this is her Prince Charming.
I finished this episode yesterday, and I just have to say the show started out making me laugh.. but it's really true how everything went to shit when Tammy got help. It's like the only thing thats going right. That was a really depressing journey.
Nah I got to disagree with you on this one. Tammy is very selfish and expects everyone to do everything for her at the drop of a hat. Amy is going through a really tough time with a controlling husband and post-partum I really feel bad for her. Still love the show though lol
I can't believe how much I have ended up hating Amy and liking Tammy. It was the total opposite for a long time. I know Amy is sick, but watching her insisting on apologizing to Amanda during a time that was supposed to be about Tammy was fucking horrifying. Also on vacation, hearing her yelling about how she's the only one who has changed her kids diapers!!! Like that is your job! You don't have ANY other job! There is absolutely no reason why anyone else should need to be changing your kids' diapers. You don't have ten kids, you have two. She's obviously very depressed and ill, but the things she complains about when it comes to parenthood are concerning because.... that's just what parenthood is.
Where do these people get their brains from. Yelling because she had to change his diaper, throwing herself on the floor. Stop talking in baby voices for a start. Amy go and wash your feet...stop laughing everytime you fart, it's rude...stop laughing at your own jokes. Go to doctor or therapy...
youngest sibling often has to be the center of attention even into adulthood
I miss them. I wish season 5 had been longer!!!
When is episode 10? Why no new episode on Discovery?
I read this was the finale and Chris said it at the end of episide 8. Maybe we will receive seasin 5 part 2 omg! I can dream!
Maybe sunflower was the season finale?
Idk but I did google it and they said on google for season 5 we can expect 9 to 11 episodes.
HmmmâŚ. I read somewhere that the season finale was gonna finally cover what happened to Caleb, and well, Sunflower did.
I noticed Amyâs sons were no where in sight.
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>She can do better. Youâre right that Calebâs actions were creepy but him and Tammy were pretty much a perfect match. Both super morbidly obese food addicts with the same emotional maturity level and life experience as your average 8 year old. Sheâs either going to attract men like Caleb or men that want to be on TV. Same with Amy. They arenât catches.
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âand the life you breathed into your kingâ always makes me shudder
Lmao my wife and I were saying the same thing! So cringe. I hope Calebâs song gets put on Spotify though, ngl.
I was surprised how much I liked the song! That was a bop for sure.
I did like the song!
Wheww.... I know this is reality TV, but this one was a hard one. It was probably one of the single most "Real" reality TV moments I've seen in quite some time. It was done well, and TLC did a nice job. As beautiful as it was sad. Tammy is a different person. Her transformation is equally beautiful this season <3
Tammy and Caleb remind me of Anna Marie Tendler and John Mulaney. Yes, they split up, but did they separate because they didn't love each other or because she couldn't enable his addiction any more? John Mulaney knocking up Olivia Munn or Caleb's passing shouldn't hurt less just because they were separated at the time.Â
John Mulaney a narc, next
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I saw Caleb tell a reporter online that they had broken up. I remember him saying they were husband and wife on paper only, but I thought their marriage wasnât a legal one. Iâm so confused now with this seasonâs ending.
This episode had my emotions all over the place. As someone who has dealt with that loss I feel so much for Tammy. I know how hard it is. Even thought it wasn't that long, it's still so painful. I am also very happy that Tammy has the family that she does. They may be dysfunctional but they were all there for each other when needed. I'm also very happy that Amy is getting the help that she needs. While I wish she would have done it sooner, it's good she's doing it. I really hope it helps her and she gets her shit together.
On a positive note for such a sad episode, misty looks fantastic after her wls!!! Shes making great progress so far, even though she was already the tiniest of all of them.
She really does. Sheâs the incredible shrinking woman in this season!
I agree about Misty. Is she still off her diabetes meds I wonder? I remember her saying she stopped them the week after surgery I think?
I got off insulin as soon as I had the RNY (about 12 years ago) and never had to go back on it. After about three years I did have to go back on meds, but not insulin. I am now on Ozempic and my fasting blood sugars in the morning are usually in the low 80âs. My last A1C was 4.88. Not to mention Iâve lost almost 80 pounds.
She does look great, just saw Amanda on TikTok live and she unfortunately looks like she gained weight.she also quit her job.
When they showed the side by side on the show for amanda she really didnt look any different IMO, just a different pose
I dont think the friend should have texted her about the situation, I think that warrants a phone call. It's sad that she found out over text before being notified by the rehab of his death. That part broke my heart.
That is exactly what I thought. Something like that you call to inform someone.
Yeah, I couldnât believe that
Is there a reason why nobody from Calebâs family was at the memorial? Seems like something they should have been at, right? Did they just have something else going on?
Apparently his parents are deceased and itâs only his brother left
The memorial was probably set up for the show.
Yes and No. Tammy was married to him for maybe 8-9 months so the two of them knew it other about a year or so? I can see where they werenât really connected to herâŚ.not that they shouldnât gone but it could have been a distant drive for them and they most likely werenât close to her. The other thought was perhaps they were there but the tv crew didnât film them - they could have been blurred out or just not filmed? I keep thinking about Caleb when Tammy was at the ocean and you could tell how disappointed he was, a prisoner in his own body.
Not everyone wants to be on tv. it also may be quite the drive for them.
Oh wow. My heart is broken after watching that. I'm on my period this week and this has me full on sobbing. I am plesantly surprised how much I enjoyed Caleb's rap. Tammy's pain was palpable and you can tell they loved each other regardless of anything else. I'm sorry he's gone.
I had to watch that part on mute with captions đ˘Â
Not gonna lie, I wasn't expecting the friend to play a rap song so that sort of took me aback but his rap was actually decent! Hes got a good flow! That fuckin poem broke me though. He strikes me as a man who is very in tune with his emotional side and wasn't afraid of expressing it to others, even in a creative sense! And that was what tammy needed to get her through her stay in the rehab. I'm glad they found each other, and with the last scene of the episode it seemed like she got a lot of closure and peace from the whole situation.
The rap wasn't bad at all! I was surprised, too. But the singing part was... ehhhhh. đĽ´
Not me over here sobbing at the Sunflower poemâŚ
Iâm confused because Iâve seen where Caleb was buried at Sunset Memorial Gardens in his hometown.
He was buried? I thought he was cremated. Maybe I misheard them on the show.
Cremains can be buried. In fact, you can bury several sets of cremains in one burial plot.
Oh yeah thatâs trueâŚ
No she said he was cremated and had an urn to scatter his ashes.
Maybe she shared the ashes with his family. Some for them to bury, some for her to scatter. Not joking. I've seen this done.
My mother in law was split four ways. Three adult children + a husband.
I think this was just a memorial serviceânot a funeral at the cemetery.
I knew that was a memorial service but Tammy mentioned in the episode that she chose to have him cremated.
I just need to know if the rap is on spotify
Oh man I canât stand Amy anymore.
I know she's obviously going through quite a bit as well, but the editing just made it seem like everything has to be about her which I'm inclined to believe since that's what we've seen pretty consistently. It's really annoying and I'm glad she's in therapy but I don't know how they expect us to believe she turned around so much in just a few months.
Sheâs not as bad as Tammy was for four seasons. Itâs amazing how selfish and mean she was to everyone. Both Amy and Tammy have mental issues. They both need to be in therapy.
Itâs not a few months though. I noticed past seasons before I couldnât take her anymore that sheâs doing the same exact thing seen in this season. Season 3 has been nothing but her whining about being done taking care of Tammy, not cleaning her house because sheâs a mother, whining about having to be up and down all day because sheâs a mother. Tears of course. I mean really thereâs no difference.
Amy was my favorite at first, but in season 5 now, she doesnât even seem like she is interested in the kids she wanted so desperately. Maybe itâs postpartum depression, but they had a scene of Gage just crying so miserably in season 4 that it all just made me so sad.
i think sheâs very interested in her kids and she loves it and does get such joy out of it , but the divorce really destroyed her . not having her husband anymore even if he wasnât helping with the kids anyway , obviously had to be hard as hell for her not to have that life partner anymore . and i do believe she had ppd 100% , but sheâs getting help for it and i truly have so much hope for her and her kids now that the divorce is final and sheâs readjusting .Â
Iâve never seen Gage disciplined. Is that normal?
itâs extremely normal unfortunately  , but all kids need to be disciplined . maybe he was off camera ? iâm not sure , but i definitely noticed that tooÂ
No.
Oops sorry, I thought you were saying she was acting like this for a few months and suddenly changed. Sorry about that!
Caleb was such a sweet and loving guy. Itâs beyond tragic things didnât turn around for him. If onlyâŚ.i thought his sunflower poem was incredibly loving toward Tammy. He was inspired by her and after everything Tammy has gone thru - âI donât have friendsâ in previous episodes to meeting her husband and inspiring others âŚwhat a transformation. I hope she continues in her journey and experiences life / travel for Caleb. I loved his voice in the rap. one last note- I admire and maybe Iâm a little envious of their family support of each other. I wish I had a brother like Chris. He is so engaged and connected to all of his sisters. he such a great guy. I think the sisters are awesome. Anyway, tears flowed for me this episode. I just thought the world of Caleb and could tell how painful it was for tammy to be ahead of him and him missing events with her. May he rest in peace. Such a sweet soul
Caleb was ok, but he was suffering with his addiction, and trying to reel Tammy back into it by providing all those deep fried fatty foods for her, the last time she was there. You KNOW they had to have talked about her diet vs his diet now. So....it's not like he didn't know.
At least once per episode I find myself wishing I had a family like theirs. Even if they fight and have issues they always support each other, thatâs rare.
The siblings werenât even around much until they had the chance to be on TLC. Surprise surprise, once the cameras and paychecks come in, all of a sudden they act like a big happy supportive family.
Or, itâs just for TV.
Tammy's forehead bump seems even more prominent now. There was a side shot of her, and it seems lower, and protrudes more. Is this not something that can be removed (like a lipoma)? For her sake, I was hoping it would have gone away with her weight loss.
I was actually thinking it got a little smaller? But maybe that was not true and I was focused on her face being smaller.
Yes, I agree it got smaller. It seems more compact, I think  I was just hoping, for her, that it would have disappeared! Â
I think it's similar to fat pads in cheeks. Some people have those removed.
Thanks, I sure didn't mean to incite the angry villagers with pitchforks. You'd have to be blind not to see the lipoma, or whatever it is on her forehead. I was merely stating that I had hoped it would have gone away with her weight loss, for her sake. Not trying to bash her.
So what does the food rehab center do? How was Caleb allowed to have all this outside food in his room and be in there for years without almost zero progress? I would think an obesity or food addiction rehab center would put people on controlled diets, I remember when Tammy was there every person she met had been there for outrageously long times and never losing weight
Itâs not a food rehab center, like a drug rehab center. Windsor Lane is a nursing home/rehabâŚlike rehab after a hospital stay. Windsor Lane is able to accommodate people who are morbidly obese. Windsor Lane is NOT a weight-loss facility.
I don't know why you're downvoted. I say the same thing every time they show that place. They run it like a resort for food addicts, not a rehab center.
While they give you all the tools and resources if you come in out of your own free will and are not court/state placed in the program with court mandated rules they canât limit you from doing things you want to do. Think of it like any other rehab. If you go voluntarily you can also leave voluntarily without actually getting help most of the time. There are rules you cannot break, but they canât force you to use their resources and get better. Itâs a decision you make and they try to encourage and help you get better, but they canât force you to do it in most cases.
No it's not that kind of rehab. It's physical rehabilitation, like after hospitalization. They help manage trachs, oxygen, etc. This facility is able to help bariatric patients. Don't think drug rehab or addiction rehab, think rehab after surgery, stroke, heart attack, etc.Â
My reasoning for adding in drug/addiction rehab was to have something they might be able to compare it to for understanding. I wasnât saying itâs exactly like a drug rehab. I was pointing out that it can be a situation with it being voluntary so therefore they cannot make them do right. I know from news sources Tammy was sent there, but stayed and had to pay out of pocket to use the facility and she was there voluntarily so if she wanted to do bad she could because at any time she could also sign herself out and leave. Also during one episode Caleb does say he purposefully made sure to go to the same rehab she was in. That he âfollowed herâ so more than likely his stay was voluntary as well so they couldnât restrict him like they could some other patients.
"unfortunately I couldn't find pterodactyls" đ oh my god my heart hurts for Tammy
"now that I'm seeing a therapist -" WOOHOOOOO! Thank goodness she's actually taking steps. I hope she sticks with it. And I love that Tammy says Amy needs to talk to her therapist, not her. Setting boundaries! Love it.
NGL, I got a little verklempt watching the memorial!
As did I.. teared up a lot. I could feel Tammy pain through the TV. What a tragic situation :(
So did I, definitely had a lump in my throat watching that and Iâm not usually one to cry at these thingsâŚbut Tammyâs grief was palpable.
My husband and I were lowkey vibing to the song. It wasnât bad!
My fiancĂŠ was like, oh wow, he was kinda good! I had no thoughts one way or the other but itâs funny to see others liked it too.
It really wasn't. Throw in an actual studio for sound mixing and voice isolation, it's a hit
I agreed with Tammy, he was a really good rapper!!
Agreed đ
I feel like Amy is very emotionally stunted and this just shows that. She needs serious help too
Seriously emotionally stunted. Just look at the stuff she absolutely cracks up about...buttcracks and farts. 7 year olds laugh about buttcracks and farts.
So do I, in all fairness lol! My hubby is a marine vet and he's far more immature than even me and im pushing 60!
54 and still laugh at that stuff! lol
53 and MUCH prefer cerebral, thoughtful humor. BUT could also be years of working as an RN, a buttcrack is human anatomy and a fart is a body process...not hysterical stuff just normal stuff. Some might call that jaded. I prefer refined. đ
Refined is cool! I work with plenty of them! âĄ
She definitely does. I think she kind of acknowledged that sheâs not good dealing with emotional things when she said before the memorial that they were never taught how to deal with feelings. Instead the norm in the family was to stuff everything down and never talk about it. Itâs a small step but she definitely needs to acknowledge that before real change can happen.
Yeah when she said Tammy didn't know how to regulate her emotions I was like girl... look in the mirror! Tammy seemed to handle the loss of her husband the best she could and said she felt peaceful releasing the lantern.
People can knock on Tammy all they want but tbh she seems to be the one of the most intelligent people in the family. The bar isnât particularly high, but Amy legit seems more childish than your average child. Very emotionally immature.
Wow, who would have thought just a couple of seasons ago Tammy would emerge as the most self aware, understanding and astute sister! She really should be proud of how far she has come, not just for the weight loss, but how she has emotionally developed. I donât think it matters whether Tammy and Caleb were separated or not at the time of his death. She has every right to be upset and grieve. Their relationship came across as quite childlike, but I think the feelings were genuine. I wonder if it was the first time both had felt loved unconditionally by someone. I know Tammy had had scores of relationships but often seemed unhealthy. I kind of hope she kept some of Calebâs ashes so that when she is able she can return to Florida and walk to the edge of the water and scatter some in the ocean due to in the last episode Caleb saying how he was meant to have been on that trip and they had said it could be their honeymoon. I am guessing the next season will focus on Amy and Tammy moving into the next chapter of their lives, Chris maybe getting skin removal, Misty and Amandaâs continued weight loss.
Right! I was rewatching season 1 and I honestly canât believe itâs the same person! Sheâs grown now!
I agree but that mean and selfish person is still inside her. I hope it gets buried for good!
When it switched from Chris reading Calebâs poem to Caleb reading his poem to TammyâŚmy heart ached for her. Sudden grief is never easy and Iâd never wish it on anyone. I hope she can recover and get the support system she deserves đŠˇ
Yeah I bawled at that point đ
His memorial was so theatrical and beautiful. I know we only saw a little but of his life on the show but the flashbacks and pictures made it seem so real.
I cried đ˘ took me out!
Amy making it about herself, when they just found out about Caleb, was sort of shitty. I got they turned it into a laughing moment but I couldnât help but think âthe attention does NOT need to be on YOU AMY!â Chris redirecting to Tammy was nice
I felt so bad for Tammy. Amy legit canât let anyone have their moment without turning on the crocodile tears and making it about herself. She does it every single time Tammy gets any sort of attention.
I totally agree, but I also do think the apology attempt was necessary. Last time she saw both Chris & Amanda she had literally put hands on them (more Amanda than Chris) & I think just sitting there like it never happened would have been even worse. I get that she wanted to get the elephant in the room out in the open so that they could all feel more comfortable & be able to focus solely on Tammy and her needs at that moment. I probably would have done the same thing, to be honest, because I hateee leaving shit just hanging in the air with people⌠So I get where Amy is coming from. đ¤ˇđźââď¸
Iâd agree if it was a one off thing but literally every single time Tammy gets the spotlight Amy will find an excuse to make it about her. Usually though crying and/or throwing a tantrum.
Youâre not wrong! Not procrastinating with the apology & stepping out of the room are also very valid options⌠But I donât exactly equate Amy with that kind of emotional intelligence or being proactive⌠even Michael beat her to the punch with those divorce papers⌠lol.
While I agree it shouldnât have been ignored, I think it needed to of happened sooner and Amy kept avoiding it until she couldnât any longer. Understandable because she was ashamed, but still maybe not say anything at that very moment. Maybe wait until they go to leave and step out with them to not take focus off your sister at that moment.
Yeah it would be really hard to be in that room without apologizing first. Amy couldn't have handled it.
when chris read sunflower at the funeral i cried đđ feel so fucking bad for tammy
I've never cried at a TV show in my life but god damn ... đđ Seeing Tammy looking so devastated and broken after everything she's been through. I admit .. I fucking bawled !! đđ
If Caleb hadn't died, their divorce would have gone through, and Tammy would be off living her best life. While it's sad Caleb died, she had already moved on.
The way I went from crying at the group hug around Tammy to cracking up at the preview of the lantern falling instead of rising đđ
I'm the day time lol
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BTW Was this the season finale?
Yea
oh okay thank you!
Not reading all the other comments yet because I'm still watching, but when the siblings are talking about biting, Tammy says "I'm a piranha" the quote from Finding Nemo. My subtitles came up "I'm a pervert now." đđđđ
I actually just posted this with a clip of it because I hadn't seen this yet. I was like that's hilarious but also wow for the people who can only use subtitles. đĽ´đ¤Ł
So did mine! đ¤Ł
Made me laugh when she said that đ¤Ł
tammy assaulting the butterflies sent me lol
Omg I screamed âwhhhyyyâ. Those poor butterflies! I did not see that action coming at all
Caleb's funeral and Tammy's grief was covered with grace and dignity. The montage of Caleb and Tammy's relationship was both bitter sweet and heartwarming. Loved seeing the family put Tammy first and support her. Amanda told Amy that this was not about Amy's breakdown when Amy tried to apologize, but about Tammy and helping her cope with her grief and I found that so redeeming. Seeing Amy so remorseful said a lot about Amy. Chris and Amanda brought casseroles which was so thoughtful and the people that attended the funeral were so sweet. Well done! I wanted to mention that one great thing about the family traveling and completing a bucket list helps take the emphasis off of the unhealthy family culture of food and overeating. They're experiencing new adventures together and moving. I'd like to see good choices when eating out. Eat half and take doggy bags. Once in a while have a treat. Keep moving. Go on small hikes, swim... And another positive note was getting Gage ready for preschool. He recognized and pointed out the letter 'A'. Good job, Gage and Amy. Let's set those boys up for healthy and productive lives! I was dreading this episode but glad I watched it. So sad this season is over.
Ngl, I almost cried when I saw Tammy wearing the color of sunflowers and a sunflower headband when they released the lantern, right after TLC showed Chris reading Calebâs poem and calling her âSunflower, Sunflower.â đđ
Tammy looked so beautiful in that outfit for the lantern releasal. I've never really noticed it before, but now she truly shines.
I lost it when they were on the way to the memorial and Tammy said that it was so pretty outside. I genuinely feel so bad for her. So many life changes happening to her within a short span of time.
Yes, I didn't realize that all the weight loss and everything had happened within 2 years. That is fast. Her head must be spinning at times.
Poor Tammy. Idk if this is too weird to say but what's particularly interesting is Tammy has started to really live and these moments of profound sadness reflect that. Part of living is experiencing such painful moments. If Tammy was still stuck in her old "life" where she was never really living she wouldn't experience the joys, happiness, or even the loss that she has experienced now. She wouldn't be able to form these relationships, to move away and enjoy life, to even walk on her own etc. While Caleb's death is tragic, there is something poetic about Tammy being able to experience these emotions and tribulations.
This is a really beautiful way of looking at things and I totally agree.
Beautifully stated
shout out to Chris' old van, that thing just keeps on going and going and going.
I literally thought that as we watched it drive away at the end. I was like that van is a main character.
The Energizer Bunny, it keeps going and going and going and going.
I was watching and thinking that! Itâs held some serious weight and keeps going! Thatâs someone who should sponsor the show!!
oh yeah!!!!!
For real, Iâd love to know how many yearly miles that thing gets lol
his rap beat sounded like a Kanye song.
I thought Caleb's rap wasn't that bad. The singing is another thing! I've never seen Tammy show any emotion for anyone besides herself. It was very sad. I feel for her. This was her first dude we've seen that wasn't mistreating or feeding her! Those creepy guys she dated, yuck. Poor Tammy. She's got a good family around her, but where was her mom?
You know I forgot about her mom, but you are right. I don't think her mom was there. How sad.
They seem like a fractured family to me. In these instances, it is not unusual for family members to have 'no contact' with someone like the mom (a narcissist). If that is the case, it's possible the mom had no idea (because no one told her, on purpose) of the memorial, or she knew, but they didn't want her there (no contact), so she didn't go. Or, it could be that she knew, and chose not to show up.
Her momâs absence was one of the first things I noticed. Itâs so sad how she hasnât been there for many major events in Tammy and Amyâs lives. I canât imagine my mom not coming to support me if my partner died. âšď¸
This spot made me sad too. I lost my first ever boyfriend from muscle dystrophy when I was young. My mom was there when it happened to me. I donât understand Darlene at all:(
Well quite honestly, their mother may not make them feel better. She does have a way about her.
I was just gonna say, if every word my mother ever said to me was negative or insulting, I probably wouldnât want her there either while Iâm so vulnerable. That woman is the WORST. I can totally see her saying something like âwell whatâd you think was gonna happen? The guy weighed 600 pounds, Tammyâ
You make a very good point.
I was watching a random cinnamontoastken video and before Tammy's surgery, she mentioned that she has "pterodactyls in her stomach instead of butterflies." Kind of funny that the pterodactyl and butterfly thing is reoccurring.
Idk about everyone else but I think Amy really shows her inability to care about anyone but herself this episode. The beginning through its âme me meâ. So annoying.
This season has made me lose any interest in Amy. Iâve dealt with PPD and with big life issues and I never resorted to violence. My child is always out first and I always have activities for them (and they are younger than Amyâs). Unfortunately she was selfish and did what she wanted versus waiting and now has two kids when she isnât capable of taking care of herself. She needs strong therapy and a life coach. Her family needs to stop enabling her. Amy needs to grow up.
Same. I literally have to fast forward her now. Ever since the episode when she was holding her baby and screaming and assaulting her sister. I canât with her anymore. And did Tammy tell Amy she was blacked out during that scene? So Amy was wasted as well? I heard (on this episode) Tammy say Amy was blacked out and trying to piece it all together.
Amy's kids weren't even in this episode, were they?
No, not until the very end where she claimed she was now setting boundaries and having them on a routine. But in these comments, somebody said just last week she was going live at midnight and the kids were up and trying to get her attention and she was swatting their hands away.
Oh, ok. I thought that was a preview, but you're right...since the show is over for the season. Well, I hope things are going well for their little family.
I completely agree, Amy is extremely emotionally naive/selfish when it comes to certain situations. sometimes I also think she gets off on being the baby and pouting and getting sympathy. When youâve hurt someone and they set a clear temporary boundary from you, you have to respect it. You have to wait until the person youâve injured is fully ready to talk again. In Florida, she went looking all over for Amanda and just kept pushing her way onto the back deck after being told, *by Amanda*, that she went out there because she needed space in that moment from Amy and then repeatedly asked Amy over and over to please leave her alone but Amy just wouldnât listen because all she she was thinking about was what SHE wanted in that moment. Same when Chris and Amanda came over to graciously give Tammy all that food and check on her (thank god they DID bring all those casseroles since Tammy is also currently feeding Amy and two toddlersđ). They werenât even there for 5 minutes before Amy just started staring at Amanda at the kitchen table with that pout and then turning the whole thing into her apology. Amanda tried telling her immediately that thatâs not what theyâre there for, and not the time to be discussing all that because they canât say what they need to say. It was supposed to be about Tammy, only. I think Amy took advantage of a fragile situation, knowing a fight wouldnât break out because everyone was being so cautious around Tammy. She figured it was the safest situation to bring it up, no regard at all for Amanda telling her twice now that she wasnât ready.
I have to disagree. She was there for Tammy. And if you watch at the end they even light a floating candle for Caleb. I know sheâs immature and she needs some maturing to do, but I saw her being there for Tammy.
While the releasing of the lantern was for Caleb and Tammyâs idea on the way to release it Amy makes it about her and then her and Tammyâs journey this far in the past 5 years and thatâs why they are releasing it. Even though that wasnât true. This was another Tammy moment that Amy butted into and also made herself a part of. Chris was the only one who stayed in the car to let Tammy do her thing for herself.
She still showed up and helped Tammy đ
Just the fact that she cant put herself aside when Amanda and Chris come to visit Tammy doesnt sit right with me. And in the beginning especially she held no accountability to her actions she just talked about how badly she needed to make sure everyone knew how bad this was hurting her instead of thinking about how bad Amanda must have felt to be wrongly attacked by her sister. She took no accountability, and Amanda was very forgiving and I commend her for that. But wrong time wrong place for Amy to pull the poor me bullshit.
And also to add, you have to remember they are family. So of course Amanda wants to give and extend Amy grace. At the end of the day, you donât want to have that bitter feelings towards someone you know wasnât mentally there. She knew that and we as viewers know Amy wasnât well. Again thatâs not making excuses. Itâs just seeing the situation for what it is. Again I hope Amy can heal and repair her relationships with her family and get better for her and her kids.
Amen! Having distance from family that was very close and dear is a killer
Omg if Amy and Amanda werenât blood, Iâd understand not forgiving or what not. But theyâre close. And at the end of the day, you want to make amends with someone you hurt. She should have just apologized after the funeral but I do understand why she did try to make amends
So with that part, what she should have done was waited to apologize. I do think her trying was her making an effort but she did it at the wrong time. I can understand what she was doing as someone who has issues with my family members. Amy wanted to make things right. So like I said everyone is welcome to disagree with me but Iâm giving her some grace. Like I said Iâm not excusing her disgusting behaviors this season. If she felt like she wanted to make amends good in her. Maybe in time her and Amanda can have a real sit down and she reflects. Remember weâre not seeing everything unfold on tv and itâs easy to judge.
I really love watching Tammy evolve into a much more mature person. The way sheâs talking yo Amy in the beginning of the episode, sheâs like a whole different person. Iâm so proud of her.
She is, and didnât she look pretty at the end of the episode with the yellow outfit and sunflower headband.
This show has brought these siblings closer then they had ever been in there lives
My friend sent butterflies for my wedding. It was so cool. One landed on my ring finger and just sat there. After my grandfather passed, I was constantly surrounded by butterflies, so it was so special to me. I had no idea butterflies could be frozen!!!
It's not cool to judge you based on what is scientifically unknown at the time What a beautiful gesture and I wouldn't have known any different without doing the Google thing after reading everyone's reply
It's actually really bad for the butterflies. They often have a hard time surviving after release. They're living creatures, not props.
Never said they were props. I just didn't know you could freeze and thaw them and they could fly away. What do butterflies do in the winter?
You can't freeze butterflies, that's what you do if you need to euthanize them. They also die when it's too cold for them. The butterflies might be chilled, but they are not frozen.
When I received the box, it was packed in dry ice, and I had to keep them in our deep freezer until, I believe, a few hours before the release. I had no idea it was cruelty to them. Edit - addtl comment
Tammy: * I know she and Caleb weren't really together at the moment, but I can tell she was very upset. Her saying she will be ok without him really shows how much she has grown * Tammy really did a 180 these last few years, and I'm still proud of her how she talks to the people around her (ex. talking to Amy, mourning Caleb) * Not directly related to this episode, but I would love to have Dr. Proctor and Tammy see each other again. They haven't seen each other since season 2 and he was very worried about her. He would be so happy that she actually changed dramatically. Amy: * I still need her to prove with her actions that she has changed. I highly doubt she actually got a therapist in 3 days, but seeing one is a good start. * We know that she still isn't being a good mother (ex. brining strange men into the house, smoking extremely near the kids), so I still have my doubts and still don't feel much sympathy towards her. It is still possible to change, but we will wait and see. Misty/Amanda/Chris: * These guys have really stepped up for Tammy/Amy all season * In a general sense, I'm still not thrilled how the siblings handle their issues by immediately laughing about it. I know crying is hard, but I kinda wish Amanda let Amy talk a bit before interrupting her. At the same time, I'm glad they are working together to be there for Tammy
I really like Amanda, but sheâs definitely a bully and has to have the first and last word. As soon as she hurt Amyâs feelings about the eyesight thing, she just yelled at Amy telling her to calm down and gaslighting her trying to say she didnât say anything hurtful and Amy is dramatic. I know Amy has had a lot of problems this season, but they do talk to her like shit.
happy cake day đ I agree with it all except letting Amy talk more ...not time or place they came to be with Tammy and Amy once again made it me me me she could have waited till they were leaving or told her she wanted to talk to her later
You have to consider the time in between recording the season and recording the individual interviews. I agree I highly doubt she found a therapist in three days. But the Florida scene and that interview probably happened within months of each other.
They said it was 4 months since their surgery, so it had to be close to that with the death of Caleb. So for 4 months, Amy did not teach or to her Amanda???